Divinity: In the eyes of others

[Xavi]

Ok,

there is an ongoing debates on worldofwarcraft.com Venture Co. server forum: Most Favorite Guilds and Least Favorite Guilds.

Most favorite guilds:
forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=60747650&sid=1&pageNo=1

Least favorite guilds:
forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=59315848&sid=1


IF YOU GUYS DON'T WANT TO READ IT, WELL, HERE IS THE RESULT:


Most favorite guilds:

This is the reason why I decided to write here in our forum: Not a single person chose us as one of their favorite guilds. Even wayyy smaller guilds like Shogunate, Sabotage, Cerebrus(sp?), etc2 received wayyy more votes than us. Why is this? Well I think I know why.. read the conclusion section at the end of this post.

By the way, Grunts(Horde), Blacktooth Grin(Horde) and Much Too Much(Alliance) is winning by a landslide..


Least favorite guilds:

Well, you guessed, Order of the Ancients(Alliance) has the most vote so far.. Death Dealers(Alliance) and Glory(Horde) are seconds but nowhere near Order of the Ancients.


Conclusion:

We haven't got a single good vote, but we got a single bad vote from a Tauren.. He taunts us by saying "i dont like divinity. die." Well, not a single good vote and only 1 bad vote isn't that bad, I think..

I think the only reason why others don't vote for us is that we don't do/participate/host enough events. The only way we can show others that we too are elite guild is to do these things. By doing these stuff, Divinity will be more known to not just to Alliance, but also to Horde.

If we don't do/participate/host events, others will think that we are just a huge, unorganized guild.

Several things that will help us gain reputation among the Alliance and the Horde:

- Host an RP event
- Do raids(Stonetalon Mountains Horde's town is the best spot, I believe)
- PvP battleground raids
- Don't gank or corpsecamp the opposing force.. even worst, I know some of us like to /spit or /chicken them before or after we kill them.. This is NOT good for Divinity's reputation.
- If you are high-lvl, don't go to low-lvl area just to kill their lower lvls.. This is considered dishonorable, and will get us a bad reputation..

Honestly, we have more than enough members to do daily PvP raids in BG, whether it is 51-59 or 60s only.. We just need to organize this a little bit better..

I think we also can do PvE raids(Zul'gurub went well last time) daily, or maybe once in 3 days or so.. Right now, we do PvE raids more like once in 2 weeks or so.. We seriously can't progress in PvE Endgame if we keep doing it once in 2 weeks..

Well, thats my opinion.. What do you guys think?

PS: Check my grammar or tenses ahahha, english language is killing me

[Altreus]

I agree that Divinity needs to be doing more RP events, raids and end game content. While we are numerous enough that you can always see a member somewhere, we havn't been seen doing anything all that special. We often attend others events but just as guests, Divintiy needs to be heard as much as it is seen.

[molukai]

notice why M2M is getting so much PR from hordies? It is because they own horde characters (there is proof of this witnessed by yours truly on many occasions).

[molukai]

From what I have seen, M2M hardly fight honorably. I can attest to this from their exploits in the Gurubashi Arena.

[Xavi]

flemdogg said:

I agree that Divinity needs to be doing more RP events, raids and end game content. While we are numerous enough that you can always see a member somewhere, we havn't been seen doing anything all that special. We often attend others events but just as guests, Divintiy needs to be heard as much as it is seen.

Well said, and I absolutely agree Thanks for your support Alt

[Xavi]

Mol, I'm not so sure about what happened between Divinity and Much too Much.

I personally have some great friends in Much too Much, and guess what? I always ask for tanking advise from Myzari, the GM and the main tank of Much too Much. I just recently switched to Prot spec, as you know, and my first ever tanking experience was when we tried Ahn'Qiraj. Of course, I had to ask someone for advise on how to tank properly. I can't just switch to Prot and start tanking without knowing exactly what I'm doing. Myzari was kind enough to teach me how to tank properly: which skill should I spam, which skill generate the most threat, should I use faster weapon with lower damage or slower weapon with bigger damage per hit, whats the difference on tanking boss and tanking normal mobs, etc2.. Trust me, he really help me and I'm pretty sure that I wouldn't tank as good as I am in Ahn'Qiraj and Zul'Gurub if he didn't help me..

Well, maybe you should tell us what happened in the arena that make Divinity detest Much too Much.

[molukai]

Well I don't have an issue with Myzari, but rather several of his members that frequent the Gurubashi Arena. They love to talk smack about how great they are and how they will kick our butt, yet when they don't they talk dirty to us in general. If they win then they laugh and emote our corpses. Now, there are not *that* many people in M2M, so when I see 4-5 different M2M people over time acting this way in the Arena, I start to take a sampling of the general attitude in that guild. They have gone as far as to demand duels from Divinity members that best them in pvp combat, and calling us dishonorable and/or cowards when we turn them down, or that we cheated when we accept and win.

But *shrug* alas, I am sure that I had a sampling fallacy, although the truth remains that there are more than a fair share of negative individuals in there.

[molukai]

By the way, this is what Myzari has to say about Divinity on a public forum, so it appears that my opinion of them is shared by him about us, in the same blanket philosophy:

"Actually Divinity has made my [sh*t]list as of this past week. I realize they are a larger guild, but some of the members I have come into contact with over the past week have had some really poor gamemanship. I have tried to contact their GM, but I have been unsucessful at resolving these issues or coming in contact with him. Mainly they like just whine and yell when they don't get their way. I.E. losing the chest in the arena 3v1 or talking $hi+ in /bg because we don't play rush games. It has left a sour taste in my mouth and I hate that for the sake of those who have a mature attitude in their guild. As it stands now I don't see myself grouping with any of their members for quite some time."

After finding this anti-Divinity piece of garbage (the only of its kind ever) on a forum, I promptly have already made steps to speak with him either directly or by proxy with the intentions of coming to a truce. If it does not happen, know that it would be because of them and not us. I will comment more about that after they refuse our request for a mutual return to "gamesmanlike" behavior between members of each respective guild. You know better than anyone that Divinity has ethical codes it follows, and that our members would not start tonguelashing someone unless they were attacked first!

[Xavi]

Ok, I just finished talking to Myzari.

This is the story from Much too Much point of view:


He ADMITTED that one of his members (I cant remember his name, Kurimaki or something) started this thing, by emote /laugh at Divinity members after he killed them.

He was in arena, 3 Divinities were there, and only 1 Much too Much, the Kurimaki guy. Kurimaki managed to kill the 3 Divinity, and /laugh at the fallen Divinity.

However, it seemed that Divinity take the /laugh a little bit too far, seeing it as a taunt by Much too much.

The 3 Divinity members started to talk in general channel about the /laugh thing, and this made the Much too Much members pissed too.

So this is how the whole rivalry thing started.

AGAIN, this is from their perspective. I talked to Myzari and this is Much too Much's story. I can't say this is true or false, since I wasn't there to watch the actual taunting.

The only thing that can convince me is a Screenshot.

Myz also said that IF a talk is necessary, he will meet a representative/s from Divinity and talk this out, and possibly solve this problem.

Burning Legion is soon out, and the Alliance force is kind of fu**ed up right now, with Order of the Ancients vs Desolation Knights and Divinity vs Much too Much.

Jox told me that a rivalry like this is fine. I myself don't really care about all of this; I'll go with whatever Divinity choose: If we want a truce, then its good, if not then, alright; it doesn't affect me either way..

[jox]

Hail!

First off the thread that began on WoW was probably posted and garnered interest by M2M. I have had two bad run ins with M2M and DD. DD are Ninja looters and it seems to be a common thread or code of conduct that runs through their guild.

M2M - the rogue and the mage teamed me , then taunted me in whispers after the two of them pwned me....like I was a trophy on their wall or something...sheesh.

Finally I don't see anything wrong with rivalry and question the maturity level of their GM when he colors all of us with the same color pen after a little bantering. In fact he told me in first remarks today were that he see's nothing wrong with a little mud slinging....He takes things to far and makes them way to personal when he says he will not group with any of us.

Like I said a personal rivalry is not to bad...and M2M spun their own thread on that board...imo.

I suggest an Alliance with Gnomeland Security ( I think we have one) AND an Alliance with OOTA.

Jox
Captain - 3rd Healing Brigade
Divinity

[molukai]

Uh, 3 vs 1? No, he is quite mixed up, for it was 1 vs 3. That 1 was Nicocakes. And you know how pissed off he was. That is why I always go to Gurubashi arena with him now.

[Shalina]

flemdogg said:

I agree that Divinity needs to be doing more RP events, raids and end game content. While we are numerous enough that you can always see a member somewhere, we havn't been seen doing anything all that special. We often attend others events but just as guests, Divintiy needs to be heard as much as it is seen.

During the holidays we had:

A raid, an Rp event and a X-mas party all in the same week!

What happened to those?

[Gringo]

Well the way I see in the eye's of others is Opinions are the bungholes everyone has one and they all stink so they can take there opinion's to the bank and see how much they can withdraw.

Go divinity.

[molukai]

It is common practice for the most obnoxious guilds to pat themselves on the back by spamming forums with threads like "most favorite/least favorite guilds". The fact that they keep naming only 1 alliance guild with no references to specific things that they have done that the Alliance sees themselves should throw up a red flag already.

As for doing something special, we ALWAYS do something special. As visible as we are and as much as we do (and will do), we will still be outshined by the guilds that make it their life gamer goal to be [falsely] recognized as the best or whatnot. We need to take a step back and analyze exactly what they have actually done, and what we have done.

[Shalina]

gringo said:

Well the way I see in the eye's of others is Opinions are the bungholes everyone has one and they all stink so they can take there opinion's to the bank and see how much they can withdraw.

Go divinity.

I agree with you.

Those who voted probably came from the guilds themselves.

If all of divinity had voted we would #1...

These kinds of statistics are practically never actually true as they require the 'volontary' voting of people... and frankly I've went on the forums and they didn' have Divinity posted on their guilds section (which I posted a commentary on btw)

I agree though that we should organise a few more RP or raid event such as we had done in the past...


Problem #1: People don't read the forums... So I'm working on an interesting site to encourage divinity members to participate... maybe make a small webcomic that I'll post every week or something....