How is the Guild?

[molukai]

Please vote your true feelings about how the guild is doing.

Also please post any suggestions on how the guild can do better - feel free to draw on your experiences on being in previous guilds or whatnot.

[lusst]

I like the way we are starting to do XP nights for us lower levels. Great way to get to know people, and get some mad xp/aurulite while we're at it. Yar!

[daedalus]

I vote could be better, and here's why:

First of all, I can never find a group for anything. I log on around 3pm CDT and stay on and off until about 11pm-12am CDT, in that time this past week I've been in 2 guild DS groups, and I've been in 1 guild RvR raid. When I log on now, I find myself playing with people from other guilds like Mayhem and Rocking the Plank far more often than I do with Divinity.

When we have groups, they're great though. I don't think there's been one Molukai-led DS raid that I haven't enjoyed more than any other DS run I've been on. Even when I don't win any loot, at least I still get something for a guildie.

The dragon raid went great for all those in Divinity for the most part. It's just that the other guilds were pretty bad. I had no problems with that. To me Molukai did a great job leading and we got organized pretty quickly. (Even though my group had that incident with that dumb theurgist.)

RvR is usually good, but it doesn't seem like we have any real structure. When I call for a Divinity RvR group, no one responds; when Molukai calls for an RvR group, we get 8 random 50s with a healer and speed together. It works sometimes when we stick with the zerg, but we don't really have a "team". I really want a group of people who I can count on to always be able to RvR with, like the people from Mayhem. When I get a message from Giovanni to group with them, it's ALWAYS 8 out of about 15 people--all of whom know eachother and eachother's RvR capabilities quite well. I don't really see much of that in Divinity.

I might just be burned out, but lately I've been logging on and just aimlessly jumping around my house and listening to music most of the time. The only time I do anything nowadays is powerlevel all the 40+ people in TDs and in AC. It's fun, but it's just going to burn me out faster eventually.

In my opinion, a guild should enhance your experience in an MMO. So far, Divinity has--but it's been on the decline.
It's been on the decline so much solately that I've been scouting around for a better guild to join this past week.

I don't know what to do to fix it though. Seriously, there's not much we can do. Most of the really good RvRers in Divinity, who I see on all the time, RvR solo (Starbucks and Zanshen for example.) And I'm usually the last one picked for DS, or I don't get a message. The grim truth though is that Molukai can only take 7 people with him, when there's usually about 10-15 who want to go. This is the same thing that happened to me in WoW when I ran Molten Core. I'd take 40 people, and there would be about 30-35 people in the waiting room waiting for a spot to open up.

With school going on now, and with my packed schedule I really want to be able to log on, get a group, have some fun, and leave in about 2 or 3 hours. But so far Divinity hasn't been able to deliver in that aspect.

That's all. Hey, you wanted an explanation. =P

[malfunction]

Daed said what I was thinking. I've had such a hard time finding a group for RvR that I decided to make a new character that will be able to solo somewhat. I have been putting all of my time into that character.

I'd also like to add that i'd like to see some PL groups going. I am going to get a second account and make a necromancer just for PLing/Farming.

[molukai]

Well, the problem is this. Do you really expect to log on at random times and be able to get into a group instantly? It takes some coordination, and that is why these forums are here. Hell, we have been setting times for Divinity members at the 30s range to group at a specific time out of response to another member that said we aren't doing 30s groupage enough.

On top of that, Divinity is NOT on a decline. We need more members to take charge and lead, and that has been happening lately, as being seen with Kudro, Kiltrick, Kazander, etc. It takes time, but when I am online I would generally see 5 divinity LFG on top of my group, and that just annoys me when none of them chooses to lead a group, and when I ask them why they wouldn't lead a group, they give a tired response (IE I'm too lazy, I don't have too much time to do it, I don't want to lead, etc). Those that do... well. Let's face it. If you have seen most Divinity that call to make a group like I have, you and I both know it does not aim for results. I am going to make another thread on how to make a group for success.

As for me making random 50s... I don't. I make Divinity groups. This in itself is the team. I might not roll with every one of them all the time, but that is because I don't play favorites. If you're in Divinity, then you should know how to play. Otherwise you'd be in another guild.

A guild takes work. If you feel that you shouldn't put effort in, then don't stay in the guild.

[daedalus]

What exactly do you mean by "effort"? I help guildies out all the time with leveling, epics, lowbie loot, and sometimes even money. I just want something else to do, and I don't want to be the one to spend the time organizing it. If I have to start being a leader in order to see results than I'm going to have to go somewhere else. Normally if it were the summer or if I didn't have so much going on I'd be all for it, but right now I can't make this game just another job. No, wait, I would lead stuff if it wasn't such a chore to get 90% of the guild to listen to me.

And I never said Divinity was on a decline, i said my good experiences in divinity were declining.

[molukai]

Well Daedalus, i wrote an easy guide to forming groups for you in the events section. Doing stuff for lowbies is not the effort I was talking about. Making the effort to go through the trouble of forming a group (which does not take long, because like you, many Divinity are perpetual LFGers, waiting to have someone make a group) for a few minutes, you would enjoy the group. If you can't even do that, then yes, you should go join another guild - but I assure you that unless you are in an 8 man guild with members online all the time and have a lack of a life, you won't have groups all the time. And from looking at your play style, you are not always on, meaning that unlike most 8 man guilds, you have a life. Most of Divinity has a life, and many of them can't adhere to a set time all the time. That is why you must take charge and make a group with those online at the same time as you in order to enjoy it.

[molukai]

I also see 3 guild groups (2 rvr, 1 pve) open for you as we speak right now so feel free to log in.

[daedalus]

I love the social in MMOs, but this stuff isn't for me. I'm probably goona go back to single player games like Prince of Persia and Jade Empire.

[malfunction]

want to sell your account? I don't want to have to buy all of the d**n discs to start a second account.

[molukai]

Malfunction, you just need to purcahase catacombs for the classic server, because there is a free download for everything other than cats and ToA from Mythic's website.

Also Daedalus, I'm sorry if I sound like I'm being harsh or hard on you. But it's just that these types of games do take much more effort than regular games.

[britta]

I think the guild is doing great. I've been in a few others over the years, some good , some not so, this one seems to have alot going for it. One of the best things I find is that no matter when you log on there are alot of guillies on and most are friendly and helpful

I do not lead many groups, I find it hard as a cleric to lead, but I will start groups. I just want everyone to know that I will help in anyway I can. I can't PL by myself but I can help, or I can help with epics, raids and rvr. I usually get several tells when I log on so if I say no, it is nothing personal just timing.

I just wanted to say that my experiences with this guild have been 99.9% positive and am looking forward to many more

[baronvongrim]

Well I am personally very happy with Divinity. I think Molukai does an excellent job planning and assisting in every aspect but no one can be on 24 hours to set up rvr groups and what not. I find myself not wanting to make a group at times and just join a pug or log but unless we are going to start planning rvr nights then people will need to start stepping up and forming there own groups. Hopefully we can find a balance that everyone will be happy with

[magdelene]

Overall I'm happy with the guild, but I feel similar to daedalus on a few points I'm not going to go into details (i tried i ended up with a novel :-p ) However, there's noone to lead if others are already busy, soem don't get to group enough with the guild to work up the courage to lead (leading doesn't come naturally to others), often the I'm too lazy don't feel like leading is another way to say I'm too self conscious to lead) not everyone needs an awesome rp, exp, or loot group to be happy. Not everyone in the group have to be of similar level to be a good group, good groups can just be groups that are fun. The best time i had in any guild was the guild i was gm of back on perci. Several times a week myself and another would just go to lyonesse and invite whomever wanted to come. Some times the xp was great (well great for classic cam), some times xp was crap, sometimes was lots and lots of deaths hehe but everytime was a good time as everyone was there to group and have fun. would be nice to hold a ds raid, or rvr, or df, or something where level was not an issue, thebarfog raid was fun, I imagine anyone that went (provided that they weren't there for loot) had a good time.

i have tried to form my own groups, usually it doesn't work. i think only once actually got to form a classic cam xp group in ac. Thi sis how it appears to me (not trying to start a fight or anything) but most groups are formed to be xp, rvr, or loot groups without thought to having fun with the people who are in the group, just make the group as ideal as possible. You do need to do that soimetinmes, but all the time? Levelling up i felt as though the 50's were elitists, and honestly I still feel that way about quite a few.

[starbucks]

Well the problem from what I have seen is that Molukai tries to make as many groups for the guild as possible whenever he is online, regardless of how bad it may be for the intended purpose. He just wants to spend time with members and help them get better. However, the problem is that usually that is not recognized.

I speak from personal experience, and I have tried making a lot of guild groups - it burns you out sometimes, because nobody else wants to lead.